Can you believe this shit? 

"NKato" (NKato) 03/05/2019 at 03:46 • Filed to: None

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Civilian gets involved in a pursuit because the police can’t do their jobs. Then civilian gets arrested. Really? They wouldn’t have to arrest him if they had immediately got all over the suspect's  ass after the first crash. Ridiculous. Link in comments in case of kinja.

NKato > NKato 03/05/2019 at 03:49

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pip bip - choose Corrour > NKato 03/05/2019 at 04:25

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at least it shows  the Camry is a good old car that can take a thrashing

SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media > NKato 03/05/2019 at 05:06

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Civilians are not cops. Civilians who play at being cops just endanger other people around them. But if you think that's ok then I'm okay with not being in the USA.

NKato > SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media 03/05/2019 at 05:26

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I’m not ok with civilians getting involved, but I’m also not okay with cops letting chases run for over an hour with multiple crashes.

If a driver presents a threat to others on the road, police should be shutting that driver down swiftly instead of backing off in the hopes the driver calms down (he did not). If the first attempt to deescalate the chase fails, the kid gloves should come off. 

Svend > NKato 03/05/2019 at 05:29

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How sodding inept is your police force when you need that many officers to surround the car to place cuffs on someone.

Why yes officer, there is a report that the driver has a hand gun on him, ye, check the truck bed. Because although it has a cover and the driver didn’t get out of his vehicle until you asked him to, that’s exactly where he put it. Doh.

Eight officers crowding round the driver.

Nine, once the driver of the pickup is in cuffs.

Jesus, is there are police cars left at the other scene?

Rather than stopping him and saying, ‘thank you for your help, you do realise that we can’t allow members of the public to put themselves in harms way, so you really shouldn’t of done what you did, but all the same thank you’.

Nope it’s, ‘your under arrest for interfering with a situation in progress’, aka, ‘making us look like idiots, we wanted to drag this out for much longer to get ratings on the TV, to make ourselves look macho when we got bored or nearing the end of our shift’.

Seriously, in a police chase, why are there so many police cars in the U.S.? what does the officer in the police car 15 cars back think they can do that the other 14 in front aren’t doing? 

SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media > NKato 03/05/2019 at 05:40

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That’s pretty much what they do here. If a chase goes to unsafe speeds then they back off and wait to pick  them off further down the road. But then we only have State Police...so they can plan to do that.

pip bip - choose Corrour > SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media 03/05/2019 at 05:49

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fat lot of good that plan went with the knob  in Bourke St

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Svend 03/05/2019 at 05:58

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They’re making sure everyone is SAFE. Don't you watch TV?

UnderSTeerEnthusiast - Triumph Fanboy > NKato 03/05/2019 at 06:23

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What did that pickup do besides tail the car? Barely block him at the end? What it did do was break multiple traffic laws and create two reckless vehicles that people had to worry about on the roads. There’s no difference between the chase car and the truck at that point. Completely unnecessary. This is a bad take. 

NKato > UnderSTeerEnthusiast - Triumph Fanboy 03/05/2019 at 06:33

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I’m not arguing in favor of the other driver. I’m arguing in favor of the police ending the chase sooner before some fuckwit gets involved.

NKato > SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media 03/05/2019 at 06:34

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Prolonging a chase is like rolling the dice repeatedly -- eventually you’re going to come up snake-eyes and you’ll have to explain to some poor mother whose son got creamed by a meth-head driving his car at 115MPH.

NKato > Svend 03/05/2019 at 06:38

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Considering that you are from the UK, Svend, I’m going to take your feedback with that in mind: Officers have a tendency to go for overkill here in the States. Also, it is a well-known fact that departments tend to avoid hiring people who exceed a certain IQ. (There was a lawsuit about it in NYC, and the plaintiff lost...can you believe that?)

All in all, I am not in disagreement — law enforcement feels like they’ve become rather pussyfied AND cowboy-ized at the same time. They’re less willing to take immediate action to end a dangerous situation, and think themselves to be “the shit” when they do things all tactical-like.

I’m sorry that our law enforcement is becoming an embarrassment according to international standards.

That aside, the reason for the high number of vehicles is ostensibly to maintain a perimeter — if the suspect bails on foot, they have to set up a cordon rapidly to ensure that he cannot escape. This is actually the police’s primary strategy in avoiding direct action in chases. They are hoping that the suspect bails when they think they’re in the clear. The secondary goal is to show the suspect an overwhelming presence in an effort to persuade the individual to surrender than to prolong the situation. The thinking goes is, if he sees the amount of cops that are after him, he is more likely to give up.

Except that their helicopter is watching from above with FLIR. Motherfucker’s glowy ass ain’t going nowhere.

As an aside, Sunday night there was a 20-car presence of law enforcement on my usual commute home, I had to take a detour. I tried to contact the local PD to find out what happened, no response yet.

Flavien Vidal > Svend 03/05/2019 at 06:43

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you haven’t seen Japan... Yesterday there was genuinely 10 cops surrounding a 40 year old woman who crossed with her bicycle while cars started to move. They were lecturing her about how dangerous her behavior was...

Svend > NKato 03/05/2019 at 07:32

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Ye’, here in the U.K. I think I’ve only ever seen police chases with an absolute maximum of eight vehicles. partly because that is a large chunk of many constabularies vehicles.

We tend to go more three or four veh icles with one often being a dog car. Some constabularies (like the bigger cities) are most likely to have a police helicopter.

But if a police c hase is getting too dangerous, the police call it off and add more vehicles to the surrounding areas or wait to see if the vehicle pops up. They’d rather a stolen car gets abandoned and lose the suspect than risk dangering members of the public.

That’s not to say tactical stops aren’t done, but th e driving police officer has to state they are pursuit trained and tactical stop trained before they can enter into a high speed pursuit or to do a tactical stop.

In a high speed pursuit situation a silver or gold commander will over see the pursuit from the control room with a running commentary given from the lead pursuing police vehicle giving road conditions (ie wet/dry , heavy traffic, etc...), suspects driving manner, etc... and advise whether the pursuit should continue/terminate, direct other cars to intercept.

Our firearms officers are the same, they are fully armed but unless there is an immediate threat to the offic ers, a silver or gold commander has to give consent to arm and load and rescind the authority to arm and to stand down and unload.  

450X_FTW > NKato 03/05/2019 at 07:44

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America, where overkill is underrated. 

450X_FTW > Svend 03/05/2019 at 07:46

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To give you an idea of the craziness that is police chases and laws regarding them, last year (IIRC) the police were chasing someone in a car in SE Michigan. One police car crashed into an innocent civilian’s car, killing one of the occupants. The police charged the person who was initially running from the police with that persons death. 

Svend > 450X_FTW 03/05/2019 at 07:55

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Here when that happens the officer and crash are investigated by the IPCC (Independent Police Complaints Commiss ion) to assess whether the officer could of avoided the incident and/or the pursuit should of been called off but the suspect isn’t charged with that crash, even though ultimately it can be said, the police car almost certainly wouldn’t be in that situation if the suspect had pulled over earlier.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-16060558

An independent investigation has begun into a collision between a Greater Manchester Police car and two others that left a man seriously injured.

The Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) announced it was compiling a file on the crash that took place in Leigh on 27 November.

A 44-year-old man travelling in one of the cars underwent surgery and remains in Bolton Royal Hospital.

It is believed that the police car was pursuing another car at the time.

The IPCC said that the marked BMW 330 collided with two cars - one of which was knocked into a third vehicle - at the junction of Lord Street and Spinning Jenny Way at 09:46 GMT.

The vehicle which was being pursued is believed to have passed through a red traffic light and was not involved in the collision.

Greater Manchester Police referred the incident to the IPCC.

It may be different in Scotland though. 

CB > NKato 03/05/2019 at 08:42

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Edited because at the end of the day, whatever.

Gerry197 > NKato 03/05/2019 at 09:15

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I think you are confusing “not doing their jobs” to modern car pursuit procedures.

The police don’t want to do traditional car chases because they usually end up causing more problems and puts the public in danger. They rather lay back and allow the air units and radios to keep track of the car and catch them that way, avoiding unnecessarily dangerous chases in crowd ed city centers.

The civilian getting involved probably increased the danger and got in the way of the plan they had to follow the suspect and arrest in a less dangerous scenario.  

Gerry197 > NKato 03/05/2019 at 09:18

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It can also be caused by police chasing the guy, sometimes its better to let them go and let the driver relax and not panic.  You cannot escape air and radio.  

Urambo Tauro > NKato 03/05/2019 at 11:29

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I jumped around the video a bit, so forgive me if I missed something... I can understand the pickup tailing him for a while and reporting to police via phone , but why didn’t he pull over as soon as the cops showed up (around the 56 minute mark )? The p ursuit goes on for another two whole minutes after that. Why doesn’t he get out of their way? He’s definitely interfering, and even if he was to claim that he didn’t notice the cops, then he’s a very inattentive driver and has no business getting involved in t he pursuit in the first place.

NKato > Gerry197 03/05/2019 at 16:00

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If you read all my comments on the topic, you’d realize I understood modern chase doctrine. The problem is when the damage occurs anyway from a passive approach due to the suspect being erratic.

My view is this: current policy is fine as long as damage and injury has not occurred. But as soon as the subject gets into an accident and drives off, he needs to be shut down immediately.

That is when passive pursuit policy should shift to an active pursuit policy. 

NKato > Gerry197 03/05/2019 at 16:01

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Whoosh.  Read my other response to you. 

Gerry197 > NKato 03/05/2019 at 16:36

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It’s easy to make assumptions watching a video from a desk chair . You think these cops were just being lazy or maybe there is more to this chase such as situational awareness, communication, orders, etc. that resulted in the response you were watching?

NKato > Gerry197 03/05/2019 at 16:52

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The suspect tricked the police into thinking he was going to turn himself in. And it is a universal perception that LAPD is trying to pump for overtime and hazard pay. 

SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media > NKato 03/05/2019 at 17:17

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Truth. But if it's only one mother as opposed to ten mothers... that's a win.

SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media > pip bip - choose Corrour 03/05/2019 at 17:18

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True. Not every plan works but then not every plan ever does...